Posts by Muddy Waters

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Watch the GB lie

by jonza in

just a short clip i made of gb members contradicting (lying) about the child abuse issues.

You know what is really weird though, that in Lett's talk from the WT /JW broadcast channel given TO JWs, he said, "...As an example, think about the apostate-driven lies & dishonesties that Jehovah's organization is permissive toward pedophiles."

What I don't get is why any JW would even know about this, most have their heads buried in the sand (unless, sadly, it's happened to them or someone they know). So Lett is bringing something up -- from "apostates"!!! (supposedly) -- which JWs are supposed to "think about," then, in the next breath, totally dismiss and view as ridiculous lies.

I know, it's all part of damage control. Still, it's all just so stupid.

Such weirdness -- "THINK ABOUT these apostate driven lies - and now don't think about them. They are lies."

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It's not your conduct, it's your status

by donny in

jw's often state that their practice of disfellowshipping is used to keep the congregation clean and free of "worldly" influences and the like, however that is just pure b.s.

in actual practice, all they actually care about is your status according to the watchtower society.

case in point is ray's situation.. ray disassociated himself about 20 years ago because elders and other jw's were constantly spreading false rumors after he quit attending meetings.

Muddy Waters

It sounds like another Ray not Ray Franz.

And hopefully Ray is a pseudonym.

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How do we know the WTS monitors this site? Can anyone tell me for sure?

by LevelThePlayingField in

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i keep hearing this in threads.....

Muddy Waters

I wonder about this too. And once upon a time, perhaps 4 or 5 years ago, I shared here and on other ex-JW sites the major reason for my awakening -- it was due to looking through the BS book, My Book of Bible Stories. I was going to give this book to my little grandchildren when I suddenly saw it through their little eyes, and the images were so shocking, frightening and horrible to me.

I posted about this, and poof -- a year or two later comes Caleb and Sophia. Now I'm not saying there is a connection, but it does make me wonder.

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Remember that Letter to Elders that asked them to privately inquire if any of the brothers were LAWYERS.....

by Muddy Waters in

i remember a thread here somewhere where a letter to the body of elders was posted and elders were to read part of the letter asking who might have experience or training in video media, graphic design, etc.

then on a separate page not to be read to the congregation was for elders to make discreet inquiries as to any who might have legal knowledge, experience or expertise.. well, in view of all this new kafluffle about branch closures, building work suspended, bethel layoffs, etc., it really makes me wonder now just what the heck is going on.

has the gb been shafted by their own legal counsel or financial advisors?

Muddy Waters

I remember a thread here somewhere where a letter to the body of elders was posted and elders were to read part of the letter asking who might have experience or training in video media, graphic design, etc. then on a separate page NOT TO BE READ to the congregation was for elders to make discreet inquiries as to any who might have legal knowledge, experience or expertise.

Well, in view of all this new kafluffle about branch closures, building work suspended, Bethel layoffs, etc., it really makes me wonder now just what the heck is going on. Has the GB been shafted by their own legal counsel or financial advisors? Could they have put their trust in the son of earthling man (worldly counsel?) and are now reaping what they have sown?

I am also noting the really weird behaviours recently from both Sam Herd and Anthony Morris in their broadcast talks from different months, though very recent. Both of them had such similar demeanours -- defeated, tired, dispirited, uncomfortable.... There was no excitement in their manner, they did not sound encouraged or encouraging.

And there is also the issue of payouts to victims of child abuse and child sexual abuse... and now questions as to their charitable status...

It all makes you wonder, What the heck is really going on?? Is the money well really drying up?

I mean, we really don't know, we can only speculate, it is all so very weird.

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This newly leaked letter PROVES the WTS are hypocrates and do not speak the truth.

by Dunedain in

after reading this newly leaked letter, something profoundly "hit" me.

myself, being born a "witness", and most of us here, who have learned their teachings for years, know of the "importance" the gb/wts always placed on the watchtower and awake magazines, themselves.. from the magazines inception, from back in probably the 1920's, or somewhere that far back, the wts claimed that the preaching work, and specifically the distribution of these magazines, were a sign of the times, and a fulfilment of bible prophecy in these last days.

they would compare the watchtower magazine to a "stinging scorpion", claiming those magazines fulfilled that verse in revelation.

Muddy Waters

Bravo, Dunedain!!

EXCELLENT POST and I'm wondering if reasoning like this might help wake up some dubbies!

Also on that note of logic and reason, the WT has also said how JWs are like locusts traversing the earth, going everywhere with their message, going through the back yards and up into apartment buildings, etc., to spread the good news! How will this apply if they do away with the preaching work or do cart-only witnessing? (Though this has not been confirmed and is a future speculation about the future of door-to-door work) but if that event does happen, is another point to use or bring up for the dubs to explain.

Anyway, I can't like or love your post enough, lol. Wonderful reasoning and logic! It is good to turn their words against them and expose their duplicity and to show how they're making it all up as they go along.

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Signature Quote - what do you think?

by Muddy Waters in

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i apologize for the self-serving nature of this post.. i first said this to a lovely person here to encourage her and add a bit of humour to a harsh situation, but i've fallen in love with my own words, ha, and would like to use a variation of what i said to her as my new signature quote.

it's a bit long, and could become tiresome eventually, but do you forum members think that you might like (or could tolerate, heh) seeing this on my posts?.

.... "may god, or the universe, or airborne spaghetti, or energies or wavelengths or frequencies, or quantum particles that somehow attract things to us, or telepathic manipulation by aliens -- bless you.

Muddy Waters

Cangie, too funny! Thank you.

And big haha! back atchoo, Oubliette, the master of "Let's review - it's a cult!!!" - your quote is much shorter and catchy. And I always love it, lol.

Steve, you are quite correct - the last part of my quote isn't quite original, there are many variations of that positive thought. And I love all of them. :)

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Signature Quote - what do you think?

by Muddy Waters in

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i apologize for the self-serving nature of this post.. i first said this to a lovely person here to encourage her and add a bit of humour to a harsh situation, but i've fallen in love with my own words, ha, and would like to use a variation of what i said to her as my new signature quote.

it's a bit long, and could become tiresome eventually, but do you forum members think that you might like (or could tolerate, heh) seeing this on my posts?.

.... "may god, or the universe, or airborne spaghetti, or energies or wavelengths or frequencies, or quantum particles that somehow attract things to us, or telepathic manipulation by aliens -- bless you.

Muddy Waters

Haha, thank you everybody for your responses. Perhaps I'll use it like salt & sprinkle it around every now and again.

"Let every utterance be sasoned with salt..." Gawd, there's no getting away from the Borg, is there? it's like a little piece of hardware is still left inside your system somewhere..... ready to sprout up and pop through your skin....

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Where you are in your life now.....What would you have preferred .... To be left in ignorance ? ...Or to know the truth about the truth

by smiddy in

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i think possibly their are a few valid reasons for either options to this question ,depending on a number of factors .. such as how old you might be, how long you have devoted your life to the "truth" as you believed it .

?....how it may affect your mental/physical health and well being.?.

how it will affect your financial position in your life ,?

Muddy Waters

I got sucked into this religion when I was around 20, at a terrible time in my life and the JWs seemed so wonderful, and I wanted my life to be sparkly and clean and wonderful like theirs, I could not see that it was an illusion (or delusion).

After almost 30 years in, I am glad to be out of it, though I am glad for the good things it gave me, and yes, there were good things and people, the most wonderful being my husband, who is also out - and so I feel blessed.

It feels like the whole world has opened up, and I am discovering anew that it can be a delightful, lovely place without the gloom and doom cloud of Armageddon and Jehovah's terrible day of anger looming constantly over our heads.

It was hurtful, to learn TTAT - the truth about the truth - I felt so betrayed and used, I felt taken as a fool. I read Crisis of Conscience with tears pouring down my face.

I would never want to become a Borg drone again, despite the difficulties of reintegration back into humanity and society. (An aside -- Can really identify with Seven of Nine, lol!! When we watched Star Trek Voyager, her stories would often make me cry. I hope I'm not the only one who cries watching Star Trek, lol!)

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and now, trying out my new signature quote, lol...

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"May God, or the universe, or airborne spaghetti, or energies or wavelengths or frequencies, or quantum particles that somehow attract things to us, or telepathic manipulation by aliens -- bless you. And may you have peace and a good day. And if you are not having a good day, may you find at least a moment of something good in your day."

- Muddy

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Signature Quote - what do you think?

by Muddy Waters in

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friends

i apologize for the self-serving nature of this post.. i first said this to a lovely person here to encourage her and add a bit of humour to a harsh situation, but i've fallen in love with my own words, ha, and would like to use a variation of what i said to her as my new signature quote.

it's a bit long, and could become tiresome eventually, but do you forum members think that you might like (or could tolerate, heh) seeing this on my posts?.

.... "may god, or the universe, or airborne spaghetti, or energies or wavelengths or frequencies, or quantum particles that somehow attract things to us, or telepathic manipulation by aliens -- bless you.

Muddy Waters

I apologize for the self-serving nature of this post.

I first said this to a lovely person here to encourage her and add a bit of humour to a harsh situation, but I've fallen in love with my own words, ha, and would like to use a variation of what I said to her as my new signature quote.

It's a bit long, and could become tiresome eventually, but do you forum members think that you might like (or could tolerate, heh) seeing this on my posts?

here it is:

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"May God, or the universe, or airborne spaghetti, or energies or wavelengths or frequencies, or quantum particles that somehow attract things to us, or telepathic manipulation by aliens -- bless you. And may you have peace and a good day. And if you are not having a good day, may you find at least a moment of something good in your day."

- Muddy

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Why did you choose Jehovahs Witnesses?

by vinman in

i'm wondering why ones on this forum initially became jw's.

if you were born in, why did you make it "your own"?

if you became one later, what was your draw and driving force?

Muddy Waters

My experience was a bit like yours, Kate Wild. I was 20, but in a totally bad place in my life, everything was going to hell, and a young beautiful pioneer sister began calling on me.

I wanted to be like her. She was so put together, so happy (she really was! She was one of those super-pioneers whose whole life was the truth), and her life was all sparkly and wonderful... There finally seemed to be a beautiful purpose to life... a wonderful loving God to serve (I became totally indoctrinated very quickly!), a whole association of brothers and sisters worldwide... and a paradise earth!

I bought it, hook, line, and sinker, and wouldn't escape for close to 30 years as I slowly began to wake up again.

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"May God, or the universe, or airborne spaghetti, or energies or wavelengths or frequencies, or quantum particles that somehow attract things to us, or telepathic manipulation by aliens -- bless you. And may you have peace and a good day. And if you are not having a good day, may you find at least a moment of something good in your day."

- Muddy